Iām a divorced man and have been dating a married woman in an open/poly relationship for six months. Her husband has been occupied with his new girlfriend. As a result, his wife has been spending a lot more time with me. Sheās feeling (understandably) abandoned by her husband, and Iām picking up that slack. While I find her general GGG-ness incredibly refreshing, the truth is that I find her boring. Iāve made it clear that she could never be my primary partner, even if she didnāt have one already. She assures me that she is fine with that, so long as I donāt dump her for a monogamous primary partner. I have no experience with this sort of situation. If this were a monogamous relationship, I would break up with her so that I could look elsewhere. Instead, I can keep this piece of cake and look for another slice, too. Does it matter that I donāt see any long-term potential between us? By what do I measure the success of our relationship?
āToo Many Slices of Cake
I slipped your letter to my buddy Matisse, a professional dom who happens to be the only person I know in a successful long-term polyamorous relationship. (Matisse blogs at mistressmatisse.blogspot.com.)
āThe success of a polyamorous relationship is measured by whether or not it makes the people in it happy,ā Matisse says. āBy that yardstick, Cake Boy, youāre coming up zero. Youāre getting nookie off a woman you find boring while you recover from your divorce and look for better options. I donāt call this polyamory, I call this opportunism.ā
Matisse has called you on your bullshit, TMSOC, and Iād like to call Mr. Poly Husband on his. Poly relationships simply donāt work/arenāt ethical if a primary partner feels abandoned. Healthy poly relationships require clear primary/secondary roles, with primary partners always coming first (so to speak), and any secondary attachments or partners coming in somewhere from a close to a distant second. Mr. Poly Husbandās failure to make sure his primary partner feels like she comes first (primary does mean āranked as most importantā) leads me to question not just his ability to be poly but his motives as well. As for your motivesā¦
āYouāre painting it with a thin veneer of compassion, but come on, guy,ā Matisse says. āIf you want to be a pal to a woman whose husband is temporarily insane with New Relationship Energy, and who is thus feeling abandonedātake her to the movies, donāt take her to bed. Her husband may be sprung on someone else at the moment, but at least heās not dumping her for the new shiny thing, whereas you will.ā
Matisseās bottom line?
āIf you donāt love her and youāre not going to, then zip up your pants and go home.ā āDan
My boyfriend refuses to give up coke for reasons I canāt explain. I donāt make a stink if he smokes a reefer; I donāt make a stink about the tranny sex heās had in the past or the his-and-hers butt plugs he bought us in Month Two. Heās well-read, witty, and sweetābut Iām seriously anti-drug for my own reasons, and he knows my stand. Weāre reaching Month Six, and in spite of all his skeletons, I love him. But this coke-hating sister canāt get serious about a man that canāt commit to not doing coke. I need a manās swift and brutal opinion: What the fuck? Is this butt-plugging asshole trying to sabotage our relationship by holding on to some libertarian conviction that was started in ancient Rome?
āCoke-Hating Sister
Iām not sure how the Romans factor into this, CHS, but hereās the swift and brutal opinion: If a coke-hating sister canāt get serious about a man who uses coke, then why is this coke-hating sister wasting her time on this trifling, tranny-banging, coke-snorting brother? Either coke is a deal breaker for you, CHS, or it isnāt. If it is, then donāt date him. But if this butt-plugging asshole merits an exceptionāif the lift tickets are balanced out by well-read, witty, and sweetāthen date him, girl, and stop bitching about it. āDan
You suggested that Doing My Best, the good-looking Ivy Leaguer who canāt land a girl, find a gay friend. Homos, you implied, make the best wingmen, directing women your way in bars and forcing you to talk to them. In return, you should go to gay bars, dance shirtless, etc.
I disagree. My brother and I have had separate bad experiences with gay male friends. Both of us are straight, easygoing, and have no problems with queersāour sister is a lesbian. Weāve found that itās impossible to have a gay friend of the same sexāespecially if alcohol is involved. Eventually a pass is made and the friendship ends.
āBurned Straight Boy
Feigning friendship to get into someoneās pants? Surely no straight man has ever stooped so low! Surely no womanāstraight or queer, single or marriedāhas ever had the moves put on her by a straight male friend! Surely!
Not, as the kids once said.
Iām sorry you and your brother had bad experiences with fag friends, BSB, but it happens. And letās make an effort to keep it in perspective: Hitting on a friend is an asshole move thatās been used and abused by gay men, straight men, and the odd woman. But not all gay men hit on their straight male friends. I have four very close straight male friends, BSB, and Iāve never hit on any of them. Why? Because Iām not generally attracted to straight boys, for starters, and not one of them is my type, for enders. As far as my libido is concerned, my straight male friends might as well have vaginas. And when I meet a straight guy who is my type (hey there, Sal!), a friendship is out of the question. Together gay men donāt want to be friends with men they find attractive for the same reason together straight men donāt want to be friends with women they find attractive. Why torture yourself?
So my advice to straight boys seeking a gay wingman is this: If your prospective wingman only dates, say, muscular Asian dudes, and youāre a muscular Asian dude, heās going to hit on you someday. But if your gay wingman only dates, say, hairy muscle daddies, and youāre a skinny hairless rocker, your gay wingman is unlikely to ever hit on you. āDan
Your advice to get a gay friend is dead-on. Iām an outgoing guy until I see a girl Iām interested in. My gay best friend has helped me meet a lot of women. In the interest of fairness, I return the favor at gay clubs. But a straight guy that goes to gay clubs does get hit on. If you can get over that hang-up, guys, itās a real confidence booster. You also forgot to mention that if the straight guy introduces his gay friend to the man he marries, civil unions, or partners with, the two of them have to keep helping the straight guy meet women. The straight mafia is strict about that one.
āNot Shy Anymore
Thanks for sharing, NSA.
I would take your advice and get a gay best friend, Dan, but where the hell do I find a gay man to be my buddy?
āLonely Hot Dude
The hottest gay menāwingmen, et al.ācan be found at dlist.com.āDan Savage
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